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The War on Climate Scientists

The War on Climate Scientists

By Micah Moen 91 Comments October 7, 2019


BILL MOYERS:
Welcome. Last week, the scientist David Suzuki was here to tell us what he thinks should
happen to politicians who ignore or deny evidence that the earth is heating up: DAVID SUZUKI in Moyers & Company Show 318:
Our politicians should be thrown in the slammer for willful blindness. If we are in a position
of being able to act, and we see something going on and we refuse to acknowledge the
threat or act on it, we can be taken to court for willful blindness. I think that we are
being willfully blind to the consequences for our children and grandchildren. It’s
an intergenerational crime. BILL MOYERS:
The problem is, if that should happen, if politicians were to be convicted of willful
blindness to the fate of the earth and future generations, there would have to be mass arrests
and lots more funding for new prisons. We’re not talking about a mere handful of culprits,
it’s hard even to know where to start. Perhaps with Marco Rubio, Republican Senator
from Florida. Back when he was a state legislator, Rubio favored cutting carbon emissions that
contribute to global warming. But now he’s thinking about running for president in 2016
and has changed his tune, as ABC’s Jonathan Karl learned this past weekend: MARCO RUBIO on ABC News A Closer Look:
I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the
way these scientists are portraying it. That’s what I do not. And I do not believe that the
laws that they propose we pass will do anything about it. Except, it will destroy our economy. BILL MOYERS:
As Paul Waldman wrote in “The Washington Post” this week, just about every potential
candidate yearning for the Republican nomination publicly questions the scientific evidence
of global warming. Among them: Ted Cruz, who says “The last 15 years, there
has been no recorded warming.” Bobby Jindal decries global warming as “…left-wing
environmental theory.” Rick Santorum calls climate change “a beautifully
concocted scheme.” And Rand Paul says “the Earth’s 4.5 billion
years old…and you’re going to say we had four hurricanes and so that proves a theory?” These contenders have plenty of company, including
the Republican leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell of coal-rich Kentucky, who says
he doesn’t buy climate change and regularly scorns President Obama for talking “about
the weather.” Republican Representative Dana Rohrabacher
says global warming is “a total fraud,” and he’s from California, where every inch
of the state is under siege from epic heat and drought. Then there’s Representative Joe Barton,
former GOP chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee who hails from Texas, which, the
story goes, was created in only one day by the Almighty who spent the rest of the week
drilling for oil. Smokey Joe Barton says that Noah’s “Great Flood is an example of climate
change, and that certainly wasn’t because mankind had overdeveloped hydrocarbon energy.” I’m not making this up. They really say
these things. But they’re not actually stupid. Playing dumb is just their game, to appease
the base of Tea Party Republicans who watch only Fox News and don’t really know better,
and, of course, to keep the campaign contributions rolling in from the fossil fuel companies
and predatory billionaires. But haul these fellows up on charges of willful blindness,
and I’ll wager they would all take the Fifth. No one knows the ways politicians undermine
action to stop global warming better than David Suzuki. This geneticist and zoologist,
author, and broadcaster is known to many as the godfather of the environmental movement. DAVID SUZUKI in The Nature of Things:
This is “The Nature of Things.” BILL MOYERS:
Since 1979, he has hosted the Canadian TV series “The Nature of Things,” making
science understandable and entertaining to audiences around the world. In his native
Canada he’s fought hard against those science deniers in positions of power who have turned
a blind eye to the future and the truth. Welcome back, David. DAVID SUZUKI:
Thank you, it’s good to be here. BILL MOYERS:
You once believed that if people were showed the valid science about global warming, they
would understand. You were wrong about that. It’s not the case that you shall know the
truth and the truth shall make you free. DAVID SUZUKI:
Yes, the discussion platform has been very, very badly polluted. I really did believe,
and my whole life, I had, did my first television series in 1962 when even you were a young
man too. And my belief was and still is that if we can have a conversation about the facts,
that ultimately we can make the proper decisions. Well, it’s a much more complicated affair.
And what I’m realizing now is that as long as we carry on the conversation within a frame
that is dictated by economics, then we’re going to lose every time. And again, let me
tell you a story. I, many years ago the Lytton Indian Band, they call themselves, came to
me and said, our government has given a permit to log our sacred valley. The sacred valley’s
now called the Stein Valley. They gave a permit to Fletcher Challenge, a New Zealand forest
company. And we don’t want any logging to take place. So I said, okay, but before I work with you,
I’d like to see what you’re fighting to protect. So I took my family, we went camping in the
valley for five days. And it’s a magnificent valley. So as we were coming out, we met a
big party of people. And the women were all dressed in high heels and dresses and the
men in suits and ties. And I said, this is not a camping party. But you know, anybody on the trail you talk
to. And so very quickly I realized, holy smokes, this is the CEO of Fletcher Challenge. And
very quickly he realized, oh my God, this is that troublemaker David Suzuki. And so
we got into, let’s say a heated discussion. And finally he said in frustration, listen
Suzuki, are tree-huggers like you willing to pay to protect those trees? Because if
you’re not willing to pay for them, they don’t have any value until someone cuts them down. And that was a big insight for me because
I realized, holy cow, you know, you, it’s, he’s absolutely right. In his world he could
tell me how many jobs will come, how many board feet of lumber, how many cubic meters
of pulp, how much profit can be made out of there. And what do I do? If I’m arguing in his frame
and say, well, gee, you, every year we can pick a few berries and there are some salal
bushes that we could use for flower arrangements and maybe, maybe we could find a cure for–
like, we have no chance against that argument if we stay within an economic frame. Because the real reason we’re fighting for
the forest is that it’s taking carbon out of the atmosphere and putting oxygen back
in it. Not a bad service for an animal like us. But economists don’t have a place for
that in their construct. BILL MOYERS:
Well, how would you expect otherwise, when as you point out, the fossil fuel industry
has deliberately embarked on a program to cast doubt on the science of global warming?
They say you and others like you are practicing junk science. And they are winning the propaganda. DAVID SUZUKI:
In the United States. BILL MOYERS:
In the United States. DAVID SUZUKI:
Yes. That has worked. What we do know from the magnificent book, “Merchants of Doubt.” BILL MOYERS:
“Merchants of Doubt.” DAVID SUZUKI:
You sow doubt. Since the 1990s the fossil fuel industry has known just as the tobacco
industry knew years before they finally admitted it, that smoking caused cancer, the fossil
fuel industry knows that fossil fuel use is at the heart of climate change. But now the problem is their job as CEOs and
executives is to make money for their shareholders, and they’ll do it. And if they begin to frame
the discussion a different way, the chances are they’ll be booted out of their position.
So they’ve got no choice. BILL MOYERS:
The paradox as you speak is that I saw a poll that said almost 90 percent of Canadians really
take global warming seriously and know that we contribute to it. And yet their government
is taking actions that are in direct contradiction to their understanding of global warming. DAVID SUZUKI:
Yes. BILL MOYERS:
The citizens understand. DAVID SUZUKI:
Our government has come down hard. So environmentalists are called enemies of Canada– BILL MOYERS:
By the prime minister? DAVID SUZUKI:
By the prime minister, well, his mouthpieces, his various ministers. We are called radical
extremists. We have one minister who said you have these extremist terrorists like Bin
Laden, and environmentalists. So that’s how we’re being demonized by being lumped in as
terrorists. DAVID SUZUKI:
And this is a very effective thing that we know that it’s been done by the tobacco industry,
it was done by, it’s being done by the fossil fuel industry. If you attack a person on the
basis of their trustworthiness, their ulterior motives, anything to get away from dealing
with what the issues they’re raising. Then, oh, but those darn scientists, they
keep speaking out. So shut them down. We have fired a huge number of scientists working
for Environment Canada. BILL MOYERS:
Well, I did read that the government, your government has closed libraries in the Department
of Oceans and– DAVID SUZUKI:
Fisheries and oceans. BILL MOYERS:
–Fisheries and Oceans in– DAVID SUZUKI:
That’s right. Actually thrown out manuscripts into the garbage. BILL MOYERS:
That’s like the burning of books. DAVID SUZUKI:
–exactly, exactly. And they’ve muzzled the scientists that work for the government. Scientists
cannot go out and talk to the public about what they are finding in their area of expertise.
They have to go through the government and be vetted by the government in terms of what
they can say. DAVID SUZUKI:
That really sends a chill through the scientific community. Because other scientists who aren’t
working for government but are in universities depend on government grants in order to carry
out their research, much more cautious in speaking out. It sends a chill. And that really scares me
because if you can’t have scientists telling you what the grounds, the scientific information
is on various issues, who then do we go to for the authority? Do we go to the Bible?
Do we go to the Koran? Do we go to these rightwing think tanks? In Canada we have the Fraser
Institute, the very rightwing think tank that gets a lot of play in the press. Is that what
our source is going to be? That’s why it’s really important to me that
scientists not only be freed but be recognized as the most authoritative source of information
on these various issues. BILL MOYERS:
There was a Gallup poll in this country a few weeks ago that said despite rising temperatures
and all of this strange weather we’ve been having, the percentage of Americans who care
a great deal about global warming has been dropping from 41 percent six years ago to
34 percent today. What is it about human nature that wants to believe the worst can’t happen? DAVID SUZUKI:
I don’t know. I don’t know. But I will tell you this. We think, or at least the science
indicates, humans evolved, and I know in the United States the word evolution is loaded
with all kinds of triggers, but in Canada we use evolution all the time because people
accept it. The science suggests we evolved in Africa
150,000 years ago. And for 95 percent of our existence we were nomadic hunter-gatherers.
We had to follow plants and animals through the seasons. When you’re a hunter-gatherer,
you know darned well you are utterly dependent on nature for your wellbeing and survival. 10,000 years ago, we begin this big transition
from hunter-gatherer to farmer. Agricultural revolution ushers in this huge change. Now
we don’t have to follow. We can raise our food right where we live. And in 1900, there
were about 1.5 billion people in the world, only 14 cities with more than a million people.
Most people still lived, and if you look at a map of the United States in 1900, the Midwest
is dotted with all kinds of towns and villages, 150, 200 people. Those were the way that people
lived. We lived in rural village communities because
most people were involved in some aspect of agriculture. Come ahead a hundred years to
2000. Now there are four times as many people, 6 billion people, more than 400 cities with
a million people or more. Now in North America, the vast majority of people live in big cities. And in a big city it’s easy to think, well,
as long as we have parks out there somewhere where we can camp and fish and play, who needs
nature? In, you know, in a city my most highest priority is my job. And you know, the average
child in Canada today spends eight minutes a day outside and over six hours a day in
front of a television, computer or a cell phone screen. So when you’re living that way,
who needs nature? Who even worries about the weather unless there’s a tornado or some kind
of a freak event? And so we act as if these things are really
not relevant to the way we live. I remember when William Nordhaus, one of the giants in
economics at Yale said, the impact of global warming is trivial economically. And I think
that it’s– BILL MOYERS:
We now know that’s not the case. DAVID SUZUKI:
Of course, of course. See, young kids often ask me, Mr. Suzuki how can I save the world?
And I say to them, well, look, the world’s not in trouble. We’re in trouble, but the
world’s not in trouble. So don’t worry about the world. But if you want to look to the future, environmentalism
isn’t a discipline or a specialty like being a dentist or an artist or a musician. Environmentalism
is a way of seeing our place in the world and seeing our relationship with the biosphere.
And we need everybody to see the world that way. So I tell young kids, follow your heart,
but whatever your activity is, if you’re a dancer or a musician or an athlete, see the
world that your activity is made possible by good old Mother Nature, and treat her with
more respect. BILL MOYERS:
So you say the world’s not in trouble. But when I read some of what you’ve written and
when I look at photographs and video of the tar sands, seems to me the world’s in serious
trouble– DAVID SUZUKI:
Well, the world– BILL MOYERS:
–and you have a microcosm of it. DAVID SUZUKI:
The world, the planet is undergoing immense changes. Humans now are the major force shaping
the properties and the functions within the biosphere. That’s why scientists refer to
this as the Anthropocene epoch, a period of time when human beings have become a geological
force. We’re altering the physical, chemical and biological features of the planet on a
geological scale. So there’s no question the planet’s undergoing
change. But the planet is going to be here long after we’re gone. The planet will continue
to go on in this altered state. I have no doubt life will persist. We’ve gone through
periods of tremendous extinction. There are five great extinction events that happened.
We don’t know why, but one of them when the dinosaurs disappear may have been caused by
this collision with an asteroid and a cooling period. But the reality is it takes 10 to
20 million years for life to recover after one of these great extinction crises. And
I don’t know if you’ve interviewed Elizabeth Kolbert who’s just– BILL MOYERS:
Read her book. DAVID SUZUKI:
–written a book, “The Sixth Extinction.” And there’s no question that we’re in a new
extinction phase. But now it’s being caused by one species alone which is us. Life will
go on. Even if we heat up the planet to what is being projected as 4 to 6 degrees this
century, which to me is unimaginable, life I’m sure will persist but in a radically different
form. BILL MOYERS:
So tell me, the series that you’ve hosted for over 30 years now called “The Nature
of Things,” can you boil down to a few sentences here at the end what you’ve learned about
the nature of things? Can you give me a nugget of experience we can pass on– DAVID SUZUKI:
Well, I– BILL MOYERS:
–to the audience? DAVID SUZUKI:
–I don’t know about the experience through television. Of course it has given me the
opportunity to meet so many amazing people. But the most important person I didn’t, I
never met, but she had as great an influence on my life as anybody I’ve known was Rachel
Carson. Rachel Carson in 1962 published Silent Spring.
And I was a hotshot geneticist then. I’d spent eight years in the United States getting my
education and I was going to be this hotshot in Canada. And I read this book and it just
changed my life. And it, what it said is the lab is not the real world. You know, you can do all kinds of experiments
in a test tube or in a growth chamber. But in the real world the wind blows, sun sets,
night falls, it rains, all kinds of things happen that you don’t get in a controlled
chamber. That’s point one. And the second point is in nature everything’s connected
to everything else. What we do when we look at the world through
science or even through the media is we isolate and we look at little segments as if they’re
not interconnected. And those, that was really the important message to me. The lab is not
a miniature replica of the real world. It’s an artifact in a way. And everything in the
world is connected, so everything carries responsibilities. BILL MOYERS:
Three years ago, you said you would likely die before your children became mature adults
and have their own children. But you said you were filled with hope to imagine their
future, and I’m quoting, rich in opportunity, beauty, wonder and companionship with the
rest of creation. As the climate crisis has worsened over the last three years, what has
happened to your hope? DAVID SUZUKI:
Well, a lot of my colleagues have now said it’s too late. Clive Hamilton, an eminent
eco-philosopher in Australia wrote a book, “Requiem for a Species.” And we’re the
species it’s a requiem for. I’ve read everything, the entire book, and there’s nothing I disagree
with there. James Lovelock, the man who invented this idea of Gaia, says 90 percent of humanity
will be gone by the end of the century. And Sir Martin Rees, the royal astronomer
in Britain was asked what are the chances humans will be around by 2100, and he said
50/50. So there are a lot of my colleagues are saying we’ve passed too many tipping points
to go back. My answer is thank you for the message of urgency. We don’t know enough to
say it’s too late. And this isn’t some kind of Pollyannaish idea.
I base that notion of our ignorance on reality. In, the most prized species of salmon in the
world is the sockeye salmon. It’s got that bright red fatty flesh that we all love. And
the largest sockeye salmon run in the world is in Canada in the Fraser River. We like a run of about 20 to 35 million salmon
is a good run, that’s a lot of fish. And in nineteen, sorry, in the year 2009, just over
a million sockeye came back to the Fraser. And I said to my wife, that’s it. There isn’t
enough biomass to get them to, they’re going extinct. A year later, and we, the government
set up a royal commission to look into what the heck happened to the sockeye salmon. A year later, we got the biggest run of sockeye
in a hundred years. Now, I like to cite this not to show how stupid I am. Nobody knows
what happened. But nature surprised us. And I believe that nature has many more surprises
if we can pull back and give her room. And that’s the basis of my hope. And that’s all
I’m left with. I see where the curves are all going. But I still cling to hope as the
thing that we’ve got to grab onto if we give nature a chance. BILL MOYERS:
So what if our species is not the apex of creation? Are we assuming that the very species
that can pollute and destroy our habitat is the one worthy most of saving? DAVID SUZUKI:
I definitely do not believe that at all. It’s, life is the miracle on this planet. UNEP,
the United Nations Environment Program say over 50,000 species, and there are big ones
and small ones going extinct. And I grieve for them, I grieve for my kin, the other species
that occupy this planet. I certainly don’t regard us as the apex. But I love my children.
And that’s what drives me is that I want my children and grandchildren to live in a world
where they can have the joy of being alive and human. And I will fight for that. Now, at this point at the end of our show
and at this, towards the end of my life, one of the great gifts that I got was one, you
know, I used to spend so much time going, we got to finish this project, like, we’ve
got to get going. Like, we don’t have time, we, and my family paid the price. I was at
the office long hours and traveling. And one day I looked in the mirror and I said,
who the hell do you think you are? There are 7 billion people on the planet. You think
you’re so important? Of course you’re not. The only way this change is going happen is
when there is a body of people working together, a lot of drops will fill any bucket. And your, it’s not your responsibility. It’s
your conceit to think you’re so special you’ve got to do it. And that relieved me of a tremendous
amount of pressure on my part. All I want is to be able to say to my grandchildren,
I did the best I could. I’m one human being, that’s all. And if there are enough people
like that, something big could happen, I think. BILL MOYERS:
David Suzuki, thank you very much for being with me. DAVID SUZUKI:
Thank you for having me. BILL MOYERS:
At our website, BillMoyers.com, we debunk some of the biggest lies of the climate change
deniers and ask environmental scientists and activists what could be done right now to
fight global warming. That’s all at BillMoyers.com. I’ll see
you there and I’ll see you here, next time.

91 Comments found

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MrDemented669

better tax volcanoes and the sun leave me alone

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MrDemented669

we are taught how to live in society and not how to exist on earth
change that change the world

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RequiemFor America

the problem with global warming advocates in the government is that it's always used selectively for political gain. if we really wanted to turn back the clock we should ALL stop using electricity, stop burning fuel and stop using the internet. 

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BIGBADWOOD

During the last 2 billion years the Earth's climate has alternated between a frigid "Ice House", like today's world, and a steaming "Hot House", like the world of the dinosaurs.

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l

@MrDemented669 "better tax volcanoes and the sun leave me alone" – Eff off, you Libertarian troll.

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girly lovell

Imo the fossil fuel lobby is winning the public relations war in the U.S. over climate change because they are using religion as a way to funnel disinformation about climate change. It's an effective way to do it because of the organizational nature of religion and the rapid way (dis)information travels within an organized group. Also the trust within an organization is stronger than with those they consider to be outsiders (scientists). Never doubt the power of religion. 

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Yves Vannes

The New Scientific Method: Delphi Fallacies as Facts
1. Make Observations
2. Formulate a Hypothesis, being sure that positive results validate your hypothesis while any negative results can be explained away.  Ignore any variables than are poorly understood.  Don't get too specific.  
3. Test the Hypothesis in Nature.  But remember, models supersede nature/experimentation.
4. Examine the Results of the Experiment.  
5. If too many of the results and variables don't align themselves with the hypothesis, ignore them or/and get Hollywood to make a movie to pave over those inconveniences.
6. When confronted with inconsistencies, lie and belittle.
7. Bury and/or massage data as needed because the "politics" of AGW is more important than a few gaps in what we think understand. (We of course know it's only a few).
8.  If any scientists disagree with this and argue that at our current state of understanding, what drives GW is beyond our complexity horizon – Please see #6.
9. Truth is better served not by evidence but by public relations.
10. When all else fails, fall back upon: "Yes we'd all like better evidence, but if we're right and we do nothing…
11. Resort to Fascism: lock up deniers/belittlers of AGW – there are hundreds if not thousands of them (scientists).  Outside of the anglosphere, AGW is a MINORITY view.

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Edwardo Snowdeno

Climate $cience is fun, you don't need to know anything about science but you must be a master of Photoshop and marketing.  

Anyone else wonder why the only proposed solution to the fascist lefts global warming theory is more U.S Dollars? If I give this man $100 will he kill himself? $200? How much? Society will advance when fringe lunatics like this fraudster die off. 

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dvmovie

Moyers said it nicely: "They're the ones who watch Fox News, so they don't really know any better."  Exactly.

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ThePromisedWLAN

"I believe 2+2=5" — A group of people unqualified in the intelligent management of an industrial society.

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Lulu Bati

Insightful…

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steve tafe

im here for the war on climate scientists. where do i sign up?

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Edwardo Snowdeno

Can you imagine a room full of school children, a teach at the front telling the children the answer to Question #2 is 5. One child raises their hand and asks "I don't understand how you got 5. Can we go over the equation?" the teacher sternly replies "No! You need to know the answer is 5, that is all". 

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MrApplewine

Who are we to question Climate?

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joe cole

I remember when Bill Moyers was interviewing reporters on the Iraq war. He asked the question, "Why didn't the press challenge the contention that Iraq had WMD. The reporter's response "Because it was the consensus that Saddam had the weapons" Moyers response "Isn't it the media's job to challenge conventional wisdom" When I watched that I said to myself "Right, like Moyers would want the media to challenge the consensus on global warming." It turns out I am right. Moyers does not want people challenging the consensus on global warming. He wants to throw them in jail

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Ray Heffington

NASA doctored the global warming study, we do not need chemicals sprayed into our air. Grow HEMP and use it for Food, Fuel, Lumber, Oil, Bricks, and Medicine. and do away with Big Industries !

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Another Agnostic

Monetary systems will be the end of the human race.  We will die because we cannot live without money.  

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Jennifer Isaacs

Tea party republicans are also history revisionists. They could care less about responsibility and courage, but rather more about greed and pride. Just seems so.
They know better as many of them wish to get fat off of human trafficking, and get away with bullying others than find ways to communicate without fallacies.
Human power lust just seems more important to some and to teach their kids to be wanting it, and be anarchists in temper tatrum if they do not have their way. Not all but some snobs do.

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Nick Cox

wouldn't oil companies stand to profit from carbon tax?

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Raymond Arcand

The fuel companies really achieved what they wanted: bring lots of people to fight against each other instead of working with real science and the proof of this can be seen right here.

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Mark G

It is so funny to watch this BS. Carbon tax BS. That is where these types want to go.

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SIMKINETICS

Americans have become dismally ignorant about science, and the crony capitalists want it that way.  The alarms from climate scientists are not based on economics.  If we destroy our environment, there will be no economics.  Curbing greenhouse gas emissions is a discipline we must accelerate now!  The weather is unpredictable on any localized short-term scale, but critical long-term climate trends are turning out as predicted by science that's getting more sophisticated and accurate.  Those who cite spurious anecdotal weather anomalies don't have the big picture that scientists have with their many weather-stations, satellites and computational facilities used for extensive climate research that is very persuasively indicating immediately needed changes.  Their science isn't about the weather, it's about the climate!  Climate is very complex & global, so there's always the risk that some short-term local weather patterns won't follow their models, but the larger patterns indicate a huge down-side risk for ignoring warnings from the vast majority of climate scientists who know most of the relevant parameters.

It's damned foolish to ignore climate science.  If a person cannot know the difference between weather and climate, he's a long ways from appreciating what scientists know about climate, and has no business critiquing science that's far beyond his knowledge.  This is no work for politicians and amateurs!  Learn the true science instead of home-spun bullshit before you spout-off, deniers!

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DmaxHd

david suzuki = capitalist  millionaire  hypocrite flake and phony piece of crap

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DmaxHd

The conservatives have it right . Mass taxation isn't going to do anything but destroy the economy .

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DmaxHd

 " 90% of Canadians agree with the global warming  theory " BULLSHIT . How big is YOUR carbon footprint Suzuki? With all your mansions and properties ?

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DmaxHd

33% of Americans don't think Suzuki is full of shit . that number will get smaller yet . Any legitimacy get's destroyed when you find out about his double lifestyle . This hypocrite  lives in a Mansion above Point Grey – the ritziest  part of Vancouver BC , plus he has several other  properties and even co-owns  a property with an oil company .Then he has the gaul to tell everyone they have to cut back.

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nettescape

Watch this video, people, it makes sense. Suzuki is a good, intelligent person. He knows the science and he still has hope.
"A lot of my colleagues are saying, 'We've passed too many tipping points to go back.'  My answer is, 'Thankyou for the message of urgency, we don't know enough to say it's too late.' .., and this isn't some kind of Pollyanna-ish idea; I based that notion of our ignorance on reality."
Suzuki states, "I believe that nature has many more surprises if we can pull back and give her room."
On the topic of mass extinction he states, "I grieve for my .., my kin, the other species that occupy this planet. I certainly don't regard us as the apex, but I love my children and that's what drives me.., is that I want my children and grandchildren to live in a world where they have the joy of being alive and human, and I will fight for that."
Thankyou, David Suzuki, I share your sentiments, and I too will fight for that.

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Crusader King

Dr. Demento and his savage barbarian henchmen talk Gorebull Warming!

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Robert Walton

When we continue to disregards whats above us! We are all doomed and soon! http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

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Roger Foster

good jump in first because you are willfully blind, anything from mainstream corporate scientists you accept & push no questions asked while discarding any stats & real credible science that dose not come from the coveted elite "American Scientific Establishment"    

Rothschild says the suns getting hotter is not causing global warming when all the planets around us are increasing in temp at the same time but we cant look there.

Al Gore's Ice caps have grown over the years, yet they were supposed to be melted by 2014 yet you push this crap to help them extort more money out of us for the energy we need to survive.

I am for a comprehensive environmental plan that rewards those who innovate green solutions, products & manufacturing.

I am not for UN agenda 21 type initiatives which are designed to monitor & control every aspect of our lives by controlling energy & making us pay an extra carbon tax if we fart, all done under the Guise of greening the planet.

you are just so out of touch with reality now days.

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Tippersnore

Rush Limblob begs to differ. Good enough for me!

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PCOSJess

there would be mass arrest? so i guess wht u are saying is our government super sucks…greeattttt

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Donald Kasper

Promoting mass arrests by the party in power against those not in power is called communism.Suzuki and Moyers advocate communism. No science today except climatology is being subjected to this. These people live in their own self-absorbed orbital system with its own rules of physics.

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GuyTron65

Are you just ignorant or are you stupid? AGW is a hoax meant to redistribute wealth while the elites skim the transfers. PS Al Gore and David Suzuki have Carbon Trading Firms and are some of those skimming the transfers.

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skisheavenly

From what I have seen of most of the responses on this thread I would recommend that nobody  should have children.  These jerks don't need company

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Derek Halder

Ironic coming from a man who once spent an entire hour long debate throwing personal attacks at JP rushton, who on the otherhad only gave facts

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Marcus Porcius Cato TheYounger

It is a common resource problem. An Econ 101 problem. Assigning private property rights can help the global warming problem. But these two millionaire hypocrites, who got rich at the tit of big government and TENs of thousands of Dollars (Suzuki gets $30,000 per speech.). Also, Moyer gets our tax dollars to put on his propaganda PBS indoctrination TV show and Global Warming speeches. Both are so blinded by their irrational fear and ignorant juvenile emotional hatred of Capitalism, they think making a clean environment should be only a political problem. They are liberal activists unwilling to admit their ignorance clouds their judgement. Capitalism and markets can help solve the problem with, for example, trade-able permits. Also, the Capitalist price system will help take care of the rest, if negative externalities are put into the price via a Pigouvian tax or fee.

But for a country wide consensus, the lying has to stop. For example, Germany gave up some of their Nuclear power plants and introduced wind mills etc.. The renewable energy, HOWEVER, was so inefficient and pricy that GERMANY,S now buy electricity from French Nuclear plants. This is typical of government boondoggle attempts at helping the people. Our faith in government has to be based in reality, not PBS Marxist Socialist talking heads. Capitalism can help with the Global warming answer if Moyer , M Moore, Suzuki, etc…. can cure their capitalism and market ignorance.

Dr Suzuki owns 3 houses, that are more like mansions. His $30,000 a speech has made him wealthy. His emissions due to all his $30,000 speech locations and his homes is a disgrace. Noah Chomsky and Al Gore have also made a fortune from global warming. They both are millionaires and own more than one house. Al Gore just built a mansion on the California coast. Environmentalist leaders seem to put HYP in HYPOCRITE.

Hysteria much Dr Suzuki?. If you want to cut the world living standards toward subsistence levels based on climate models that are not even able to accurately predict how clouds affect the climate, Suzuki better defend his position better than this,

Perhaps a viewing of the video "Cool it" by Bjorn Lumborg , would help Dr hysteria calm down a bit so he can awake into a sensible reality.

His economic ignorance and His arrogance is beyond belief. Economics can show us the way to help alleviate climate warming's negative effects, without starving 100s of millions in the process. And may I point out that Climatology is not a science. Dr Suzuki doesn't seem to understand that. And Further Science is a Human invention Dr Dimwit.

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heehee mefunny

So I'm trying to figure out the types that resist the reality of global warming. Yes, it's politics, like they talked about. I'm trying to figure out why they think this way? Do they not think humans have an impact on the Earth and is doing any wrong? Is it a matter of uneducated folks, for some reason deep down they feel "dumb"… and so resist anything that someone who has studied this come up with? We're all experts in something, and it's weird that the resisters haven't studied any kind of science and so have no proper authority to base their opinion upon. Then they come up with the most childish response (the "hypocrite!!" response… a distraction from the issue, and something a child says when they don't want to own up to something, or to take the attention off of their mistakes). Is it resistance to change? Are they afraid of the unknown and so instantly say no or say it's "BS"? Or do they just like to complain instead of jumping in with solutions? Or are they just bandwagon-jumper-on-ers and haven't thought this through?

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TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE

__________________FRAUD! Just fill in a global subject involving western governments on the line!

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bermudaguy1

THERE IS NO ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING OF ANY CONCERN!! STOP FRIGHTENING THE CHILDREN AND OLD LADIES!

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RESISTFEAR

Global Warming, Climate change, Climate disturbance. Whats next ? This scam is so full of holes. Wake up your being played.

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Robert Frapples

Your fucking Climate Change lie is being unraveled by the truth! I hope they come for you greedy bastards with torches and pitchforks!

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Noevilea

As soon as he says " Fossil fuels are at the heart of climate change " he is being dishonest and biased. If he is as good as people claim he also knows it.

Anyone that has done a decent amount of research on the subject of Co2 versus O2 levels over the last 100,000 years ( yes this is documented from ice samples ) would KNOW that this is a cycle NOT MAN MADE.

How does David explain the levels of Co2 around 50,000 years ago ? He cant because it is not caused by fossil fuels.

Got a good mind to take off my shoe laces and blindfold the MF for misrepresenting facts.

Anyone ever wonder what the combined effects on Co2 emissions are when those sensors are in cities ? And the feedback ratio of 3/1 does not apply to the facts of measured temperatures.

The feedback was flawed from its conception and has no basis in reality.

Also does not explain why ice is melting from the ground upwards.

Climate Change was a fear mongering campaign that gained more momentum upon the signing of the UN Agenda21 document in Rio De Janeiro in 1992 as an excuse to initiate more taxes WORLDWIDE.

Do your research people – it isn't that hard to find out the truth and while you`re at it FOLLOW THE MONEY.

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OUR PLANET EARTH

29% of Earth is land mass. Of that 29% humans occupy less than 1% of that area. Of the remaining 28% about 40% is pure wilderness. 14% is true desert and 15% has desert like characteristics. 9% is Antarctica. Most of the remaining 22% are agricultural areas. There may be other areas with a human footprint of some kind but it is insignificant in any relation to global warming.

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johndaddyo444

This video isn't just ridiculous: it is dangerously false in an evil way. Make sure you understand climate science before watching this video, so you can spot the errors Suzuki makes, and won't fall prey to his lies and misinformation. For that matter, Bill Moyers should be chastised strongly for his introduction and political commentary. Throw Republican politicians in JAIL??? Perhaps it is time to look more closely at Mr. Moyer's scientific credentials, and determine what right HE has to advocate such a dangerous and chilling position???

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Jim Freeborn

He does not know the science

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GoBlesstheSky

But what if the ocean rises 6"? Will the republican party become as extinct as polar bears? How 'bout a foot? Well… maybe not, most of 'em can swim or at least float, and they don't need no stinking ice.

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Info Illness

Climate change ‘urgent and growing threat’ to national security: Pentagon. THE PENTAGON IS RESPECTED BY MOST AMERICANS EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO CLIMATE CHANGE. The US is peopled by human beings that are so SELFISH they do not care about their own grandchildren…

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Simon Ruszczak

"Globull warming" propaganda.

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E. Manuel Goldstein

Horse Puckey , in the words of Col. Potter

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Clark Magnuson

A commie interviewing a commie…. what will they think about global warming, a Marxist scam to grow government…. I can't imagine what they would conclude…. can you?

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JSQ 769

Why doesn't this Suzuki guy want to debate someone like Lord Mocthton?…If he thinks he is so right why not?…We all know why because he has nothing…Nobody knows the future of weather…This is all about money…And what a waste of your tax dollars paying for all these scientists to do research on Bull Shit…That should be a crime…He said in the interview that they don't know enough if it's to late…Key words…They don't know…

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Ron Rosmer

To see the likes of Motorcycle Man (Suzuki), you need to follow the money. Suzuki reminds me of the cartoon, "Chicken Little and the Sky is Falling". Check out the Walt Disney version from 1943. Suzuki isn't a scientist, and least of all a climatologist which he admits. Also, check out Dr. Patrick Moore, founder of GreenPeace who says that these people are eco-nuts.

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josh carson

Kernel sanders

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Unhappy Customer

Globalist Suzuki and his globalist climate agenda. Fuck you Tojo

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Barry Fortier

David Suzuki is a complete fraud and hypocrite… His claims about science and the climate are complete rubbish, and he milks peoples ignorance for his own personal profit…. And he works to maximize his profit by lying to people and scaring them.

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jim gunn

Suzuki is a hypocrite, a partner with an oil company, 5 homes worth 10 million or so. Purely a creature made by Canada's State Broadcasting Corp. Charges 40,000 a speech or so. Doesn't know much about clime change. More of a self promoting money grabber. Taken much money from the Canadian taxpayer.

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Blair Macdonald

If someone found there is a mistake in the fundamental physics, the premise of global warming; would they be a hero or a heretic?

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laokram

THis is a scientist? LOL ok

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Iain Scott

Thank you Mr. Suzuki you are an inspiration. Until our last dying breath as individuals or as a species it is never too late for hope.

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Rastafari Jah

#GlobalWarmingHoax

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Fuzzy Peaches

If it's true they should be all about throwing China in prison good luck with that .

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Fuzzy Peaches

Throw the dwarf star in prison it's responsible for any climate change the earth endures it's aka the sun

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Fuzzy Peaches

The worst first 1 China 2 India etc etc …

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Xyz Same

6:00 – Industry leader advocating to cut down a beautiful forest gets into a discussion with Mr. Suzuki – these people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

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Greg Ruddell

Hey David, you are being "lumped in as terrorists" because some of your people go around creating acts of physical violence to other people. Some of our people are also engaging in the squelching of freedom of expression and the right to assembly via violence and intimidation. You sire are certainly not the last word on this highly contentious issue.

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jmuld1

Perhaps if the scientists were actually asked the people (votes) would be convinced and the politicians have to follow.

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Dan Pride

Its worse. Oil and CIA have worked together to control the news and it includes murder. There is undeniable digital proof of it here on youtube, and possibly in old magazines in your garage at this moment. Take a look at "kaczynski morph" here on youtube. If you agree the photo and sketch are related, then the US Gov did it. Period. No other conclusion possible (you can easily confirm their authenticity all over the place). Its explosive dynamite. If you agree they are related then upvote this comment, if not downvote it. But watch it first.

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don684

Well, Mr.Suzuki do you think people will simply aqueous to all the global warming zealots that espouse the world will end if we don't immediately change our wicked ways of using fossil fuels? Expect to be challenged on the extremist's views and out of the ballpark predictions. People like Al Gore who predicted a summer of an ice-free Arctic ocean in 2012.Or the famous "hockey stick" predictions on "global warming". I notice many environmentalists like to use the term "climate change" now vs "global warming". In fact, we all know the world's climate changes that are a fact as the earth has seen ice ages and tropical forests in Canada. Yet to predict a rapid change in the climate of the world like a Hollywood movie is the wrong thing to do. It is not a responsible thing to say. We are in fact reducing our carbon footprint by employing new technologies. More energy efficient vehicles like hybrid technology.More efficient home natural gas furnaces, LED light bulb technology, better windows on homes, more home insulation. Yet we are not all millionaires and must make the changes as we can afford to adopt energy-saving measures. Mr.Suzuki says us should only adopt wind and solar power but in reality, it does not work all that well, is expensive and needs to be backed up by on-demand power.Maybe someone will invent cold fusion I don't know. Yet I do know most people will only want changes that are affordable. I for one do not want to see certain philanthropic groups like the Tides Foundation or Rockafeller Foundation sneakily using their money to influence people to reject fossil fuels and demonizing those industries to the detriment of peoples livelyhoods.

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One eyed Curious

Suzuki the godfather? With his wilful scientific ignorance?
https://youtu.be/Z4SaIFsyxgA
Next you'll be saying Moyers is a real journalist.

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duff brown

okay God suzuki what the hell gave you the right to play god you have bin proven wrong so many times you are not the man to make statements like that

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Thomas Murphy

Evidence that there is corruption in science. When only grants and funds are doled out to people that agree with your opinion regardless of its' validity it is no longer science. It is merely cronyism.

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Heath Watts

Noah's Flood!!!!!!!!! Then, Moyers claimed that they "aren't actually stupid." I think Bill is wrong in that case. Hah!

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Bryan Cooper

Satellite data shows the true data of temp change and it shows less than 1/4 of 1 degree change in warmth in a century! You refuse to look at the other side (the side of TRUTH) which is — follow the money and you will see that Dr. Roger Reveille invented this so called CO2 scare and later just before he died, said that it was not true — Al Gore ran with it and made it an industry because he saw a way to become wealthy! Now around $ 4.7 Billion per year is spent on this BOGUS SCIENCE! Yes many scientists will (without real science) say Man made Global Warming is true because if they didn't, then they would not get the Gov. Grants so they can pay their bills. W A K E U P! This video explains HOW IT ALL BEGAN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyUDGfCNC-k

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Dave Richards

The real truth; think about what the world would look like or function if today we stopped using fossil fuels. Google Dr Tim Ball, Patrick Moore and Tony Heller for the real truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZN-MscYc3o&t=216s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP5eXtCIKuY

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Entrenched Mgtow

We should throw David Suzuki off a bridge…

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Randy Ferguson

I found lots of facts on Stephan Molineux’s you tube channel, also lots of charts and graphs contained James Corbet channels. Check it out, zero facts here.

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tractor

Global warming is a DOGMA. Suzuki is a lunatic !

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ThoughtorTwo

Whether anthropomorphic global warming is true or not, David Susuki is a hypocrite. The man owns five sizable homes; four in BC and one in Asia. Quite the carbon footprint for a man campaigning for others to reduce theirs!

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DAVID BADGLEY

It's now 2018 and Suzuki Is looking like Bill Nye the Science guy for grown ups and Bill Moyers is very cleverly walking around the inconvenient facts that may make him look biased. I don't think he's as dumb as that makes him look. Said just enough to make himself look good if it all folds at the UN's IPCC and he has to report the story with an "I kinda told you so" theme. Bill's pretty sharp. Helped give us the Great Society with only a little girl in a sunny open field picking petals off a daisy. This is the story of an international conspiracy to redistribute the world's wealth through a bogus, mutually agreed to, non-binding (they say) series of international agreements purportedly and erroneously disguised as, in the words of the UN IPCC's economist Ottmar Edenhofer. "Climate Policy". To think otherwise is, again in Dr. Edenhofer's words, "an illusion". This is a $100,000,000,000,000 (yes, trillion) rip-off over the next 80 years. One of the biggest heists and stories in history and you're just sitting there. Yeah, I guess you're right. Open your mouth now and whatever's left of your life and your family's will be crap.

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Miles

I have spent my life hanging out in the Carolinian Forests and the Boreal Forests of North America . and during those years I have witnessed firsthand with my own eyes the steady destruction of the land , air , and water . I have not needed a scientist or anybody else to confirm or deny what I myself have witnessed happening in the natural world . I still have a lot of hope despite what I have seen … because I have also witnessed the resiliency of the natural world to heal itself . However ; the natural world can only heal itself if we humans ( the only species on earth who shits where it sleeps ) stops the destruction . It's very simple . Let it be , … and the land , air , and water will heal itself . So ; I have a lot of hope . And I have a lot of hope for people like Donald Kasper , Simon Ruszczak , Crusader King , tractor , Clark Magnuson , duff brown , Tippersnore , etc .  Forget about what the politicians and the churches are telling you for a while , and spend some time in the real world upon which the artificial world has been built upon .

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FlowerChild Tribe

Most of these comments are from the brain dead so ignorant people are allowed to voice their reptilian opinions. Science is science wether you like it or not. Economics are man made constructs. This man has seen the real data and is sounding the alarm. Shooting the messenger does not change the message. So go ahead back to Fox no news and let them tell you what to think 🤔

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roman szefler

Ok mr Suzuki what would u do to flat earthers?

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PCgohard

The fact that you are addressing scientists as liars of climate change makes you a fucking fool. I hope your house is the first one to get flooded and destroyed. Let’s see if you believe it then. Also, before that. Show us your credentials in science. Not fucking business…..SCIENCE. You pussy

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PCgohard

Joe Barton…your a retart you old white man. Noah’s ark…..LOLOL. You sound like your 5. Go to school again or do something different. Your brainwashing other dumb people. But it’s ok. You’ll be dead in 10 years max. Your already old as shit. Let the younger generation and open minded people take care of this. Your just helping yourself. I’d fuck you up in person. All these fuck boys, and if I couldn’t, I got backup, just like police and military do. Hoe ass fucks. Suck a dick bitch ass, come meet me at Boston. All you corrupt ass politicians. Corny white boys

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Dan Basler

Suzuki's carbon footprint grows thanks to 5TH house (in Australia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHisNCBzVRQ

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oldspammer

None of the IPCC climate models predict climate because they do not include enough variables, they have the wrong cyclic feedback functions, the people coming up with these things are mostly on the government gravy train so love enacting new forms of taxation, there are no solutions offered that don't lead to the extinction of billions of people as was the globalist plan all along. Unacknowledged clandestine black budget projects of geoengineering supposedly have used aerosol direct radiative forcing of barium salts to facilitate over the horizon radar imaging for full spectrum dominance in the battlefield, and these and other salts used are likely the cause of the deaths of a sizable percentage of insects in the last 10 years including many pollinator insects including bees.

Google search full spectrum dominance over the horizon radar atmospheric heaters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX-AWaPAaso&t=2142s William Stuart on "climate change" fraud
[illustrates how NASA physicist scientists have recently contradicted their climate scientist brethren by proving that co2 / carbon dioxide at high altitudes PREVENTS GLOBAL WARMING by absorbing incident solar radiation, then radiating the heat into outer space. keywords: saber data climate co2 atmosphere broadband emissions]

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grindupBaker

And so now 2019 and a couple years prior per title "The War on Climate Scientists" we got this opposing bunch of strong Dunning-Kruger syndrome contestants slamming Climate Scientists right, left & centre for "downplaying the imminent extinction" and "being afraid to tell how bad it is and toeing the line of the boss scientists so they get funding" led by the likes of Guy McPherson who had the chutzpah to call Jim Hansen, of all people, basically a sell-out who has condemned future generations by his reticence to speak up. You still got your standard coal/oil shill-fuckwits like there'll be in the colmments down here, so getting blasted from both sides like when you're infantry advancing and your own artillery drops them on you. You couldn't make this stuff up because it's too fucking weird.

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Co Rin

If there really is a war against "climate scientists" all I can say is, it's about time. These self serving purveyors of science fraud whose only goal is to protect their dwindling research dollars. The funding for "climate science" is no more than a job protection racket. If the scientist were really concerned about research into a changing climate, they should not try to shut down any debate re the science, as many have. Furthermore, they should acknowledge that the quasi-survey mantra (conducted by who knows who) that concluded that "98% of climate scientist agree that global warming is occurring and that it was man made", was not a real survey of ALL climate scientists, but rather that only 98% of the responding scientist. In other words, there may have been a majority of scientist who didn't agree with the conclusion of the survey questionnaire.

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Dion Moore

How about imprisonment for those who push this climate propaganda?

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samslick90

Environmentalists who are energy hogs should be imprisoned

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