THE AMAZON IS NOT BURNING! Brazil’s Minister of the Environment Interviewed by Stefan Molyneux - Lake Harding Association

THE AMAZON IS NOT BURNING! Brazil’s Minister of the Environment Interviewed by Stefan Molyneux

THE AMAZON IS NOT BURNING! Brazil’s Minister of the Environment Interviewed by Stefan Molyneux

By Micah Moen 100 Comments September 21, 2019


hi everybody stefan molyneux I’m here with Riccardo Salas now Minister of the Environment in Brazil has been pretty much the most exciting job over the last week I would say on the planet and I’m very very pleased that he’s had the chance to be able to speak with us thank you so much for taking the time today thank you thank you very much for the invitation it’s a pleasure I guess my first question is a question that the rest of the world has why are you killing the planet voluntarily for no good reason whatsoever now I’m just kidding of course you know the story that that’s been out there that for some reason Brazil has just decided to to destroy the complete Amazon from end to end and that’s I guess what your government stands accused off and house how’s that been for you and what is your response now first of all it’s not true Amazon forest that is eighty-four percent eighty four percent preserved which means that for five hundred years that Brazil’s being discovered by the Portuguese only 16 percent of the forest was used by the human presence so which means that there’s no risk whatsoever involving the Amazon first this is for the past 500 years 84% preserved okay now then I’m sorry to interrupt you but but just because that’s so shocking to people that I really really want people to understand that so 500 years since Europeans first came of course to the Amazon and was it 16% only has ever been used for human use exactly we still have 84 percent of the forest entirely preserved okay after 500 years well and of course it’s not like Brazil doesn’t care about the rainforest I mean it is a human treasure a national treasure and international treasure and a huge tourist attraction of course and you take it very seriously the responsibility for the portion of the Amazon that you guys have control over exactly we do have to absolutely we are completely conscious about the fact that Amazon will our part of the forest Amazon forest belongs to Brazil it’s our responsibility to care about the forest and we are continuing to have the huge effort about taking care of the first what we have notices that for the past 20 years previous government simply disregard the fact that we have more than 20 million people living inside the Amazon region and these people were simply and completely disregarded they have not been supported by public policies they have the richest part in terms of natural resources in the country but in the other hand is the worst human level of development entire country so it’s a contradiction that we have the most the richest part of the country in terms of Natural Resources live the poorest part of the people and of the entire 200 million Brazilians right ok so imagine this imagine that I’m some evil mustachioed twirling capitalist and I say I want to buy up half the Amazon or a quarter or a third or 10% of 5% oh but I meant by a big portion of the Amazon and I just want to pillage it I just want to strip-mine it I want to cart off all of the trees what kind of barriers am I gonna face in Brazil for trying to do such a thing first of all it’s completely illegal due to the many different piece of legislation but especially to the one which is called the Brazilian forest code is the most restricted list piece of legislation in the entire world no one has no country has slightest piece of legislation as we have especially on the Amazon 80% 8808 percent of it all of the property the Amazon cannot be touched it’s it’s been called the legal reserved to do to the forest national code so it’s the very restricted legislation however it’s a 5 million square kilometres areas so area the entire area so it’s very hard to monitor to make the enforcement of the law we do have a strong infrastructure very expensive infrastructure and we do enforce the law strongly but we are surrounded by different countries who have their internal problems as you know we are a very huge territory with 20 million people so but even though Amazon as I it’s preserved by 84% so it’s not simply not true that this government or even before but especially this one we are not putting danger the Amazon it’s not correct we’re not supporting any sort of illegal activities we are not allowing any sort of illegal activities but we are facing the fact that it’s a huge territory it’s very complicated to make the monitoring and the enforcement of the law and we do need to have some of our financial support from outside that exactly was the promise to developing countries as we mentioned during the Paris agreement for instance was promised more a hundred billion dollars for the developed countries it nothing has come so what so far right now of course yeah because people I think they think of the Amazon as Brazilian but you guys just have a portion of it and of course there are other countries around as you point out with their own political difficulties that are also responsible but the focus seems to be particularly on the Amazon in in Brazil and of course you’ve seen the numbers and they were sort of burned into your brain I’m sure by the mainstream media as a whole that 80% increase in the destruction the burning and so on and wonder if you can explain to people how these numbers came about and and how they match up to historical trends okay concerning the fires this is the fire season so every year every year this part of the country and the other the neighbors as well Bolivia for instance is burning the fire is much bigger than in Brazil and nobody makes any comments about it but the fact is that during this period of the year every season we have the fire problems especially on years that the weather is hotter and it’s drier exactly as we are facing now 2019 last year 2018 or let or 2017 both of the years were very humid it’s a lot of rain so that’s the reason why the percentage between last year and this one has changed so high that so dramatically changed because the base that were the the number was calculated last year 2018 was really low due to the fact that we had a humid raining and the different type of quite completely different that we are facing now in in Amazon region right and I think people have this idea that government officials or or sort of private capitalists are out there among the macaws and the rainforest and at the the parrots with flamethrowers just setting fire to everything but as far as I understand it correct me where I go astray but it is mostly being done on rental and that has already been claimed for cattle grazing and farmland exactly this air is that we we are facing problems in both the flora station and also with the fires origins areas that we need to have a legal standards as we call the regulation of the the properties and all of the documentation once you don’t have the stability of a proper and appropriate legal base you do have a more broad field for illegal activities so it’s something is very it’s almost obvious that we need to find out a way to solve the problems of legal or registration and of those areas if we don’t do that as the socialist governments didn’t do for the past 20 years they simply disregard those issues like the the legal standards and the private property rights and things like that they it was an invitation for the illegal activities that’s right they are increasing for the past seven years so we need to face the problem in historical scenarios it’s not a 2018 problem but it’s a problem that’s been increasing since 2012 so the the reasons why we are facing these problems they are basically connected it to the fact that we don’t have private property rights we don’t have an appropriate legal basis for the area we don’t have a development and a plan an appropriate development plan which would be a sustainable development respecting the fact that the first must be kept but in the same time people need to have an economic activity in order to provide their own means right well those are big challenges now one of the things that I heard just kind of in parsing and and hopefully you can help bring it to people’s attention so one of the things that paulson era was talking about was that he had some concerns that some of the fires may be set deliberately they may be set not for the purpose of clearing land for cattle bracing or other agricultural purposes but as an act of sabotage even perhaps against government or against budget cuts have you heard anything about that stuff yeah we heard about that and that’s the reason why the president mentioned this possibility and do specifically due to this possibility he has determined to the federal police to begin a Criminal Procedure to investigate who are those involved in responsible for eventually having any criminal activity we don’t we are not concerned about we owe their in the terms that no matter if they are farmers criminals or any sort of people if they are responsible for those crimes if it really happen they must be punished under the law under the legal system right now what’s it been like for you I mean I I myself have had the occasional whirlpool of media attention where things just seem to get kind of crazy and stories just feed seem to feed on each other I don’t think I’ve ever faced anything like the kind of focus and attention that that yourself and ball Cynara were facing from the worldwide press being basically almost tried in absentia for crimes against the environment so when did you first become aware that this kind of story was floating around and and how did it play out for you first it began when we simply cut off the financing for NGOs who were living for 20 years by spreading out these problems and some of them are serious some of them have important job important things to we’re done in the past but there’s a huge number of them that have been fund raised money including the governmental fun to do things that they are not connecting to the efficiency have not resulted in the reduction of the deforestation I mean simply it’s a narrative that they use to collect funds and we simply cut off those public funds we’re not against they can raise money from from private people in the private sector but they’re not going to collect any more funds from the government so this campaign began when we cut off those funds it really began at that time so if you think that they know sorry go ahead I’m sorry well do you think that they used contacts in the media in an attempt to drum up a kind of hysteria with the goal of getting said funding restored exactly is a circle as a circle it seems like a circle relationship some of them are connected to the academia some of them are connected to the media some of them are connected to the former preferring in Joe as well and there’s an entire campaign first of all because they don’t like both so now it’s a right-wing conservative government and its since they are left-wing socialist people some of them they are against the ball so not oh no matter what we do so in the in addition of that they are really doing they’re using their contacts worldwide to pressure the government due to the fact that we cut off the funds due to the fact that we’re not giving their the same space that they had before in terms of public policy or public opinions and so on Brazilian society have recognized that some of those people have used simply use the flag of the environment for their own benefit to raise funds to pay their own salaries to pay the payroll of the NGOs to to fund actually some campaigns that have no results whatsoever well but I think this is fascinating in particular because you know every voter in in just about every country recognizes that there’s a huge problem with deficits there’s a huge problem with accumulated national that’s not to mention unfunded liabilities and all of the taxpayers sit there and say well gee why don’t you just cut government spending right so here to me is a very very powerful example of just how difficult it can be to cut government spending because balsa narrow and I guess yourself have some hand in cutting some government spending towards these NGOs and next thing you know you have every half corrupt reporter on the planet accusing you of destroying the environment and threatening the survival of the human race or whatever it is like that’s quite a blow back for some budget cuts and I think it helps explain to people why it’s so damn difficult to cut government spending exactly if first friend if we’re establish the sponsoring of some of those initiatives this sound a campaign would finished ostensibly in the in the moment so it’s first it’s it’s it is financial problems in terms of the reason why they are shouting so much in addition the public spending it also includes the inefficient policies that have been implemented through a very huge budget by this NGO in groups we’re not saying that there are no good initiatives there are some of them they are they are good they have been delivers some important results in different fields but there’s also a huge number of them that it’s simply an excuse to take money from government and if we don’t look into these details and have an appropriate analysis we’re going to be classifying some of them as as an appropriate public policy and it’s not so we need to have the right to criticize to analyze and sometimes to simply cut off those public spending in policies that they are not succeeding are not delivering results are not being efficient enough right now when the news began to break about what the mainstream media was talking about with regards to you know choking off the lungs of the world and all this kind of stuff were you surprised at how quickly the story spread will you ask for comments did you have any chance to kind of manage the hysteria that was building or how did that play out well some some of the media the press some of the journalists have contact us and we have provided a lot of information and some of them were disclosed but most of them were simply disregard some of them was added in order to cut some of the words or statements out of the contest and and being supported to the story that’s not correct it happens in many different press offices all over the place and we do recognize that it was on purpose due to not a lack of an appropriate coverage but it’s that pre ordering strategy in order to avoid the arguments then appropriate and reasonable arguments concerning the forests and the Amazon and the whole context that which is involved in this case well and and of course I think this is another example of just how when you look at the mainstream media you know anyone who’s to the right of Chairman Mao is you know automatically someone to be taken out to be undermined to be often lied about to be quoted out of context to be maybe just attacked and this is a human you see this of course with Trump or I when you when I was younger I saw it with with Margaret Thatcher you can see it with a wide variety of people who are not on the left that it really is this monolithic wall of attack with very little grounding in reality and that of course is another huge reason why it’s very tough to tame government because you’re not just facing the people who don’t like their budgets cut but you’re facing all of their allies in the media who can make your life well quite exciting for for a while yeah actually its product and exciting it’s an interesting work but the fact they are all together these people hey they have connections they have connections in the academia as I mentioned they have connections in some of the medias and they in they have these NGOs this net of NGOs worldwide especially is some specific areas in Europe where this socialist mentality continues to to provide the substance the the support that they need to continue of this campaign which is absolutely not true if they look into the Brazilian behavior in terms of the environment we we are very proud to say that Brazil is very sustainable our agriculture is sustainable this the forest is maintaining and as I mentioned 84% is a huge percentage if you look into the Europeans first they have been devastating after time after time and we continue to have ours by 84% after five hundred five hundred years of occupation and we continue to have a lot of good practices on that it’s not correct that things are not being done it’s really complicated to show that if people don’t want to see of the you want to spread they don’t want to spread out the information that we give them as as an explanation right now and and once you’ve been through one of these media maelstroms you can’t come out of it a bit of a wiser is slightly more hardened person maybe this is not your first but you know what it gets a lot easier as you go forward so listen I really really appreciate your time we will get this out to a lot a lot of people and I’m just wondering and and feel free to take as much time as you want what is the basic message that you would like to get across we’ve touched on it of course here and there sustainability and the the massive preservation of the of the Amazon but if you had a sort of megaphone to the world which is this to some degree in a nutshell what is it that you would like to say in particular against the narrative that has been coming out of the mainstream media over the last week or two first we do have we are aware that we need to conserve to preserve the Amazon we are doing that we want to bring the the capitalist involvement on that in terms of that need provide and develop the private initiatives over there if you don’t bring the economic development to the region it’s come become very complicated to keep it edit is we need one sorry if people don’t have an economy that is legal they’ll just go to poaching and they’ll just you know do to steal things and it doesn’t actually solve any makes things worse exactly you are pushing those people to the illegal activities since we don’t provide them the opportunity to work properly if don’t I have is they don’t have the opportunity to develop by themselves to live by their own to have the old income they are going to go to the Liggett if there’s any way as it happening in the surrounding countries when you see the production of drugs cocaine and so on and in the different territories you why why what is the explanation of that that we also have this mining illegal activities they go to the many illegal activities because they don’t have an option so we need to bring the development to buy economy this buy economy for instance is a huge opportunity to capitalist investment to go after the profit to have people get involved being have this this prosperity touching the people this 20 million people who live in the Amazon so we cannot pretend that they are not there it’s it’s the region of Amazon it’s not Anna hitted place if there is a 20 million people living over there so we need to do something in order to bring these people to the formal economy so that appropriately appropriate way of living and have their own income this is this is something that the word can happen instead of doing this campaign against Brazil it’s not fair it’s not correct it doesn’t reflect the concern and the appropriate behavior that we have in terms of preserving the environment you did mention something that I just wanted to touch on before we close which was the lack of property rights so they of course as you know there’s a good number of economic theories it’s a is very very hard to maintain the value of something unless someone has invested in it unless it’s privately owned I wonder if you can touch a little bit on some of the challenges that you face preserving the Amazon when private property rights can be challenging there exactly Amazon first of all is huge people need to understand that we’re talking a huge portion of the territory is very huge private areas are sometimes ten thousand acres twenty thousand acres fifty thousand acres each one so if they don’t have the the sense of being the owner of those areas to take care of those areas and also be responsible for those areas we are not going to give the appropriate path to the development in the respect in there and they respect the forest and the environment so it’s it’s critical to have this property rights based going after the legislation and appropriate base of registration those properties and make these people be responsible for the conservation of their own property and then they follow the forest code they follow the comply with the rules it’s it’s simple to understand and it’s a it’s a it’s a system that has been proved all over the world why would be different in the Amazon variant that’s the main question and I guess just to close off is there anything that you would like to say to the reporters who seem to have run a little amok with the story well I would like to be be more fair with the coverage cover not being fair they are not describing the facts in some of them not maybe not all of them but some of them know exactly that they are doing not a good job to their people are paying attention their interviews or the reports and it’s not correct all right but listen I really really appreciate you taking the time I know you’re massively busy at the moment really appreciate you taking the time to set the record straight we’ll put links to all of this information below stay in touch if there’s anything else that you want to bring to the attention of the world and thank you so much for your time today thank you very much what I wanna show you where we are right now oh yeah yeah except this is the Amazon River you nothing over there yeah votes over there the tourist boats and so on we are exactly in the middle of the Amazon the city of Manaus right now yep there’s no flickering fires on the horizon there’s no dying oh there’s no mccords flying to flee the forest fires it’s it’s all quiet it’s all nice and it’s all very well taken care of so thanks again my friend it was a great pleasure [Music] you

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Legal

DEEP STATE…at it again. President TRUMP met with Brazil president & got along. Made a new deal, So DS has to punish people .

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DEVUNK88

I thought it was always wet in the "RAIN"forest, how could it get so dry that it could burn?

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Micah Myers

Great interview. Timely and highly informative.

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1

Fake news, amazon is burning.

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Littlewolf Family

In the United States all this propaganda is completely legal thanks to Obama. The Smith Mundt modernization act allows the dissemination of propaganda to American citizens by media outlets. This stuff will not stop until that is fixed. This is why most people seem to be mindless sheep, those in positions of authority have been given the green light to gaslight.

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Lonely Lobo

WOW! our minister sure is a great guy

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danilo martins

There is a suspicion that Mr. Salles got sick through poisoning by some eco-terrorist group.

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Jason

Please send back to the Canadian people the millions of dollars Justine Castro gave the government of Brazil.

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Jason

Your first must have avoided the press. He must have not to gettheteurhout to the world..or the "fucking press"would have him on a rotating news cycle

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P M

Thank you for the honest reporting!

No entity, oppressive government, or secret society in existence can stop the awakening of the masses!

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Celtic Moose

Between 1970 and 2012, 20% of the Amazon Rainforest was destroyed. The rates of deforestation picked up again in 2016 and have continued ever since. If there is a God, that God will surely punish us for destroying his marvelous creation. Half of all living things live in the rainforests of this world.

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Mr Nobody

The majority of the deforestation over 500 years would have happened in recent years (talking decades). And wiping out 16% of the Amazon in recent years is not insignificant…

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Melissa Jennings

Go figure, problems with the NGO's after cutting off their funding! Even if Brazil were to cut every tree, it would be sad but it's THEIR trees! Europeans destroyed their forests 1000's of yrs ago along with the majority of the wildlife so they feel like they can tell the rest of the world how & what to do! My guess is that unlike the millions of acres of National & State Forests here in the U.S., the Amazon, hasn't been taken over by the U.N. which is a very good thing!!
Good for you Mr. Minister of the Environment!! Sorry that being a conservative capitalist in a socialist (more like a communist) world. Hang in there! I believe they're all in for a change! I've always wanted to take a trip to see the Amazon but am too old, too frail but it's good to know it's still there for my grandkids to see!

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Nojoke123

NGOs are the evil behind all of this BS!!! They use every scenario to maintain 'relevance' and keep their jobs. It's a common symptom of these problems across the world!

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João Felipe Melo

I'm a Brazilian and live in the Amazon region. It is great to see a foreigner so concerned in showing what is really happening around here. Thank you, Stephan!

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TheSpringMood

The 84% number this minister keeps using is a bit sketchy.
He is saying 500 years ago the Portuguese explorers created laws to protect 84% of rainforest?
He also said the increase in fires over past year were because of dry season. This doesn't match what president bolsonaro says.
Bolsonaro said fires were started deliberately, blaming NGOs and cattle ranchers.
This minister also failed to mention the large number of rainforest activists who have been murdered trying to protect the rainforest.
Since the environment is politicized it is hard to find the truth.

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Pat Figuerôa

Great interview!!
If you really want to know what’s going on around the world STAY AWAY FROM MAINSTREAM MEDIA! We, Brazilians, learned this the hard way. What a lame job we watched about the Amazon fires! Thank you Stefan for been loyal with your audience.
🙏🏾🇧🇷🙏🏼

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George Ford

The minister looks Jewish.

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Imperator

Good Work Stefan, Bless You!

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finestplanet 1

Thank you for clearing up this major circus of television media.
You would think that they would have thought of interviewing Ricardo Salles.
Thank you, Stefan.

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kEYBAWD

There are fires in forests every year. California, Provence …… 2017 & 2018 were humid and the fires in the Amazon were fewer. The fires this year are the same as 2016 and the years previously. It's not the trees that start to burn but the dead leaves and twigs. This year there are more fires in the Bolivian Amazon (a country with an Indian as president). The French should keep silent about fires in the Amazon – they can't even stop their cathederals from burning down.

The red press – the extreme left – are fabricating the "burning Amazon" to use as a stick to beat Bolsonaro. They never mention that the funding for protection of the forests were drastically cut by President Dilma Rousseff of the left-wing Worker's Party.
The ONGs – of which there are 10, 000 in the Amason are also fabricating the "burning" because their funding has been cut.

Pictures of the forest ablaze which appeared in the international press have been shown to be from 2004 and one of them is of a fire in the south of Brazil.

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Charles Granata

The oil companies hate that Brazil gets much of their Vehicle fuel from alcohol from sugar cane.
Those sugar cane fields need to be burned before harvest, so that smoke and fire will show up and dummies will say, or maybe the manipulators will say the Amazon is burning.
The real burning Amazon will be when accounting irregularities are found and the stock is burned down!

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Leppalimes

Well you heard it from Andy Samberg himself, folks.

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Rafael Rabinovich

The media has awfully misinformed and used the lies as a political weapon.
Easy test: the fires have much more damaged the Bolivian side, and the media hardly mentioned it. No one is raising a finger against Socialist dictator Evo Morales. Why?

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Tim McClure

Great subject! Thanks.

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John Doe

Awesome Interview. Good to know that the movement for truth and reason is strong in Brazil.

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EternalBreton82

Great interview. They have really cool politicians in Brazil to come on Molyneux.

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M. Terry

There is always gonna be fire in any natural settig, that's just a given. However, let's see how many of these fires there are if we take arson and human error out of it. Something to think about.

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Michael Ptasnik

7000 square miles burned out of 2.2 million in Brazil, meaning less than 1/3 of 1%, an amount so tiny that you couldn't even see it with your naked eye if I was to represent it on a bar graph, but the media is screaming the sky is falling because their NGO collaborators have lost their monopoly on government funds since Bolsanaro took office.

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Top Pay Position

SLAM DUNK. Team Stefan 2 – Team Media 0

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quercus alba

Illegal never stopped anything. Murder is illegal, it happens all the time. I'm waiting to hear why it looks as if there are fires.

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MadAdventure

I lived for 20 years on Amazon basin and always has fires during dry season. The left is on fire because they lost election.

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TJ Gregorio

I'm brazilian and that guy. ..the "Minister" lie. Please check out the Impe site.

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Ralph Macchio

Amazing work thank you!!

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Whiskey Yam

bolivia 更坏

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FLOATER cosmos

This doesn't fit the global warming narrative…

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The Gnostic Truth

Another icon of how precious this world is that has to die under the stifling and overwhelming fact that the people called "humans" are basically programmable biohazards. Can't and won't think their way out of a paper bag, let alone anything as complex and interwoven as the open-air gulag they pretend represents their excellent slice of life in today's tyrannies. Just keep acting like the 5G ain't serious. Focus on the Rain Forests tm. Of course, commentary would be too one-note to hold anyone's attention if everyone started seriously talkign about the FED and 5G and the MICC and all the nitty gritty horrors of The Alphabets and Alphabet Inc. We'll just all be a bunch of blind dupes going along with the perpetual color revolution playing out right here, each giant herd of boomers fantasizing that they'll purge the other or that their god will purge the other, while only certain classes of people truly relish the scenario that is unfurling. The facts are there, the history, the character of the participants, the opportunity and motive, the fruits of the crime dangling in midair for all to see. Power, control, and full spectrum dominance over the populace, centralized permanently and VERY asymmetrically in the hands of the few who will NEVER be dislodge from it except by an act of God, one which would be unnecessary if even 1/10th of populations who believe God is on their side were correct. This is Dante's Inferno, the realm of Ignavi.

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Kay Bee

Does anyone know who first published this story? Where did it originate?

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vaultsoferowid

It wouldn't make a difference if the entire Amazon was logged. There are more than enough plants and trees on Earth to complete the C02 > Oxygen process.

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Richard Eastman

The minister of the environment for disaster capitalism crime is as important a man to own and control as a coroner and forensic medicine office are to child trafficking organized crime when someone who knows too much is caught and under investigation. I appeal to Stephen Molyneux to consider a different purpose to a great number of super fires in the worlds great forests over the last ten years. The oligarchs of the "global financial sector" — the"deep state isn't a state" — are behind the anti-C02, pro-cap-and-trade, pro-carbon-tax, pro-deindustrialization, pro-global-economic-regulatiom' and secret weaponized weather modification used for geo-political and economic organized advantaging in derivatives and futures markets by means of redirection of weather system movement through calculated modification of cloud, affecting solar ray penetration, affection land-sea surface temperatures in a region affecting amount of air expansion or contraction that will or will not obtain affecting the air pressure conditions that steer parcels of air and intensify their heat, cold, moisture, dryness, spin etc. by where they are steered and their final planned target destination (the real function of "chemtrail" seeding of reflective cloud and overcaste. — they also eliminate cloud when and where they need to by spreading carbon black by planes which warms air parcels enough to evaporate cloud droplets back into vapor. — weather control that makes organized crime godlike in its power over weather. May I share my theory that the weather scientists working in China and elsewhere is that a natural periodic decline solar-activity-change of sunspot activity associated with diminished solar radiation that causes cooling periods, the so-called mini ice ages have been anticipated for some time and that the anti-CO2 campaign has been gotten up an a false pretext — non-existent "global warming" — in order to intensify the effects of the natural solar activity minimum — and big fires burning forests in the Amazon, but also in Russia, the US, Indonesia, East Asia and other temperate zone forested locations and CO2-redicing regulations so far has for itd purpose a predictable "butterfly effect" intensification of the anti-agriculture effects of this cyclical cool spell. — with the purpose of significantly diminishing world agricultural output and thereby effecting the rapid refuction of world human populations sought by the global oligarchs since the Club of Rome set the population reduction goal in the 1960s. — D.E. Yakima, Washington

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Wolf Redboy

Yes let’s “trust” this ministry of the Brazilian government! Way to kiss his ass Stefan!

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Daniel W. Voorhees

The obvious issue with the property rights though is that it can be a slippery slope into huge corporations, oligarchs, and multinationals into taking control of huge swaths of territory and doing what they please. Would have liked to have seen that addressed. But good talk.

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Maria Evora

Stefan, how can you do this?

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Toon M

85% of people blinking there eyes like this lie !!

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John Simon

It`s not shocking, it`s reasonable. Look at Ricardos face and his way of reacting. Completely scripted. A friend of mine actually was in Brazil, it`s even worse than you might think.

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John Simon

Don't be stupid. 84% of ONE tree is still 84%. Are you truly that stupid? XD Greetings from Germany, I thought you were a lot smarter than that. XD

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stripe1000

So the fires exist but they are not government sanctioned land clearing operations and investigations are in process to see who is responsible and if any of them are being intentionally set. I would say the problem is that the forest is on fire and needs to be put out, not the blame game. That can come later, right now I would like to know what is being done to actually stop the blazes. Also, we know underbrush burn off is needed to keep a forest from choking itself out and lightening fires during dry seasons are mother natures way of handling that. That said, how many of these blazes should be left alone for the good of the forest itself and how many should be doused with large amounts of water and dirt? I have yet to hear either of these things brought up in these conversations. Just one last thought for me to mention. If this is truly a global issue then why has it not been brought up in the UN to begin international firefighting operations? Seems to me to be a while lot of talk about who is to blame and not a lot about how to fix the actual problems. Good interview though Stefan, the information brought up was important and needed to be presented.

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Saint Denis

Global leftists are completely insane and retarded. They have bought a factory of lie machines, not only a lie machine. Ted Nugent had reason to call them LIBTARDS. #CONSERVATIVEPROUD

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Hamilton William dos Santos

I am Brazilian and live in Sao Paolo. Based on what the so called Minister Ricardo Salles has told the interviewer I can say that most of his talk is a bunch of lies. When I say so, I am supported by facts and official data. For example, he says that the Amazon region is the richest in natural resources in the country and yet have the worst human development in the country. Well, that is flatly a lie, as IPEA, the Institute of Applied Research Economics informs us that Manaus and Belém, respectively the capitals of the States of Amazon and Pará, have a High IDH (Human Development Index) of 7,2. Even more: those data show that inequality has fallen over the decades in those cities, people are studying more there, income has risen as well, I mean, all indexes overall have been increasing over the decades in Belém and Manaus, which shows that the discourse of the minister is simply one more lie. Everybody can check what I am saying here: http://www.atlasbrasil.org.br/2013/pt/perfil_rm/1 and here http://www.atlasbrasil.org.br/2013/pt/perfil_rm/2. Therefore, there is no reason for more fires in the amazon as we have been witnessing and opening up of lands for pastures, something strongly supported by this minister and his Bolsonaro chief. Moreover, Salles also lies when he says, based on no fact whatsoever, that this year, 2019, has been a supposedly "drier year", which potentially would be a trigger to the rise in fires in the Amazon. That is not true, either. In fact, the National Institute of Meteorology has said that 2019 has been actully a wetter year than the previous years, which makes all the fires happening since January 2019 in the Amazon all the more unusual and disturbing. According to scientists and specialists the Amazon has been set ablaze by "human action" in that scenario of wetter months, not the other way around. In 2019, we have had a 11,68% increase in rains in the Amazon, according to the National Institute of Meteorology. It has rained there 219,95 mm so far this year there, while the mediam for the years 2016 to 2019 had been 196,94mm. On the other hand, alerts of deforestation has risen 55% so far this year, compared to the mediam for 2016-2019. While in 2018 areas under deforestation alerts were 3,3 thousands Km2, in 2019 (up to August) they were 6,1km2. Finally, fires in 2019 have risen 34% above the median so far this year. While the median for 2016-2019 were 34,9 thousands for 2016-2019, up to August 2019 there were 46,8 thousands fires in Brazil. All those data can be seen here: https://g1.globo.com/natureza/noticia/2019/09/05/amazonia-tem-os-indices-de-chuvas-e-de-queimadas-mais-altos-dos-ultimos-4-anos.ghtml . The problem with Salles, Bolsonaro and their followers is that they try to justify their inaction with fake news. They make baseless statements and don't provide credible information to the society as a whole. Meanwhile, the Amazon is in fact burning, indigenous people are under threat of extinction, the biodiversity of the forest has been lost. Furthermore, Bolsonaro has rejected financial help from G7, Canadá, Germany and Norway, for in reality for him to accept help to fight the fires he incentives would mean to be accountable for the preservation of something he does want to destroy. Just a sign of Bolsonaro's hipocrisy as to the preservation of the Amazon, yesterday, Friday 06 Sept., he did not go to the other Amazon Presidents to make a official statement to protect the forest under the argument that he should rest to make an medial surgery. Yet, today, Sept 07, the Independence Day, he was making politics as usual, not resting, in Brasilia, in his populist abhorrent way. To sum up: Salles and Bolsonaro are liars. The international community should not trust none of them.

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Janis Joplin

Ur lying 🤥

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👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼Thank you Stefan Molyneux and great job in this clear conversation with Ricardo Salles (Minister of the Environment of Brazil), very important to understand fakenews produced by brown local Midia allied with others socialists Midia, inefficients ONGs that lose their finantial supports or involved in corruption and dirty interests.

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Christy Ceraso

Non governmental organizations demanding government money? Entitled much?

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Manuela Anderson

The mainstream mídia, the biggest conglomerate groups, lost government sponsor moneys and are battling President Bolsonaro with fake news and distortion.

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Alien Scientist

This story has UN club of Rome written all over it…

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John Farley

Love these very needed interviews! I just hope more people start waking up.

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Abra Cadabra

The problem in Brazil is the burning of their sugar cane, which is unnecessary, its very dirty and does pollute the environment. They said it was going to stop but it hasn't. That is bad.

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Monte Bank

Can we have the names of the companies who are paying Trump to burn the Amazon ?

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Klaus Raem

Viva o Brasil!!!

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Aly Crystal

Passou vergonha hein , que bom que vc viu a verdade,. Amazônia e do 🇧🇷 Brazil está claro pra vc?

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Gessika Taborda

se o nosso pais nao estivesse preoculpado em preservar a amazonia ja teria entregue os territorios para paises vizinhos . Nosso pais gasta mais com o meio ambiente doque gasta com saneamento basico , em legislacoes e execucoes das leis bem como no monitoramento das areas . O povo do norte nao usufrui de tantos cuidados como o governo cuida em manter a floresta , isso esta mudando só de agora , se o governo levar infraestrutura pro povo amazonico , as atividades iligais que o povo por la estiver fazendo vai decair , pois finalmente vao ter mais opcao de sustentar se

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Áron Debreceni

Good interview. But actually in Europe there is cc. 30% more forest now than it was 100 years ago. See a good article in the sites of Washington Post entitled "Watch: How Europe is greener now than 100 years ago".

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Gessika Taborda

saude á nosso ministro do meio ambiente , o primeiro desde a muitos anos

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Sam Lair

More than 20% of Amazonia has already been deforested. One factor contributing to the current acceleration of deforestation is that China is securing the resources of the Amazon for itself, especially those that will feed the Chinese in the precarious future imposed by climate change. To do so, China is including the countries of the Amazon in its Belt and Road Initiative, which will accelerate the final destruction of Amazonia. China is already experiencing water shortages as desertification encroaches on them from the north. Thus, for two decades they have been securing farmland and food sources around the world to feed their people in a precarious future.
What’s tragically ironic for all of us is that the disruption of the Amazonian hydrological cycle will both directly accelerate China’s desertification and strengthen global warming. Meantime, the loss of the Amazon’s natural wonders is on all of us.

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Col Pro

Real news. Not the crap they feed us on tell-lie-vision 📺

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Flutter Girl Mystified

Seriously, Stefan, I thought you were better than that. You're better off believing in Santa Claus instead. Fly to the Amazon region and find out for yourself. Don't spread misinformation. Watch the video: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/brazils-president-stresses-sovereignty-amazon-65457021

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Spencer Yancey

I think the Ziomedia could be exaggerating the Amazon fires to use air time as opposed to talking about other things.

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Simon Ruszczak

Cut off funding to the WWF, and they'll kick your ass.

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Ade Fegan

BBC debunked

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ChadDad123

So the Amazon isn't burning but there are fires? I don't get it.

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GoodTimeTraveler

Anyone who can use Google Earth can see the Amazon is pretty much intact.

See with your own eyes instead of believing leftist lies…

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mrmissoes

As a Brazilian guy this is my take on the whole situation:

This is the scheme through which the DOOMSDAY FOR PROFIT ECO-NAZIS work in the backstage to destroy the West and reduce the world population:

The scheme of conspiracy against humankind works on different fronts and has the media as its most powerful weapon and ally: Let's see how it all works:
1- DUMB DOWN the populace through pop culture and trash programs on the media;
2- WEAKEN AND MAKE THE POPULACE SICK through industrialized junk food, drugs and medicines;
3- LGBTQ agenda- the overt exposure and encouragement of homossexuality is a powerful social engineering tool for inducing people's behavior;
4- FEMINISM- the overt exposure of feminism induces to the deterioration of the relations between men and women which leads to lesser marriages, lesser children being born and therefore lesser traditional families;
5- EMASCULATION OF THE MEN- through feminism, industrialized junk food and Marxism the Western men become literally more effeminate, physically weak and easier to manipulate and control; 6- VEGANISM- there's a lot of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AGAINST veganism. Very few people in the world would be able to replace meat with vegetables, greens, nuts and fruits necessary in order for a healthy and fully nutritious diet.
6- ECO-TERROR as a weapon of FEAR MONGERING- there's also an ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE pointing to climate change as one of the BIGGEST FALLACIES EVER told. For ex, it's rather the SOLAR CYCLES that regulate climate on Earth than anything else. Our planet has been through different periods of warming and cooling and IT'S rather THE SUN activity by means of solar explosions than THE FORESTS the regulator of the Earth's climate. (Listen, I'm NOT defending the forests be all felled. As a conservative I defend we PRESERVE and PROTECT the forests, I'm just against ECO-TERRORISM and this evil agenda behind it.) So, forests like the AMAZON, only help regulate the local climate, they have NO influence on the climate WORLDWIDE.
Also, the AMAZON is NOT THE LUNGS of the world. This is a MYTH. It's rather a self-sustainable ecosystem which consumes locally all of the oxygen it produces through the decay of organic matter. So, no additional oxygen out into the world because of forests of any kind. This is a BIG ECO-TERRORIST FALLACY. So, this DOOMSDAY-FOR PROFIT ECO-NAZISM propagated on the media spews fear among the population. Thus the ECO-AGENDA can be forced down our throats without our even questioning it.
Joseph Goebbels, ex-Nazi Minister of Propaganda once said something like: "A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth." SOLAR, WIND AND OTHER FORMS of "clean energy" are notably lesser efficient than PETROLEUM, GAS and even HYDROELECTRIC power, for example. So, by imposing GREEN FASCISM on all of us the PRODUCTIVITY worldwide DECLINES massively. As a consequence, people become MORE POOR, especially in the DEVELOPING NATIONS. HUNGER and POVERTY become the norm in those places. Lastly, by doing all the above besides LYING, MISINFORMING, DECEIVING and FALSIFYING the REALITY the satanist globalist masters of the world plan to reduce the world population to a controllable size.
WEAK, SICK, POVERTY-STRICKEN, DUMB, DIVIDED and DECEIVED people die early, don't make babies and are more easy to control and manipulate. The masters of the world act on the backstage to induce your behavior and way of thinking (without you even realizing it) as part of an ample and coordinated process of SOCIAL ENGINEERING. It's all connected. All we have to do is to connect the dots.

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strenght."

(George Orwell's 1984)

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Thais Carvalho

Perfect! Salles is the best Minister of the environment Brazil ever had.

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Jesus M. Fernandez

The reason why Brazil has been threatened with international sanctions, is due to it’s current anti-communist leader. Bolivia, a communist friendly country has received zero scrutiny, regarding the fires. Wake up world! 100 million people died at the hands of the communist in the last century.

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Semdo Nempiedade

Amazing interview Stefan

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Delphine Eraclea

It is burning as it does every year! It burned wat more during the socialist regime except that was not news (Marina Silva, the disgraced darling of the environmentalists not only had the worst 6 years in terms of Amazonian fires while she was the head of the Ministry of the Environment, her %husband* also had one of the biggest illegal schemes extraction and laundry of Amazonian wood. Now the "turtle" or "earthworm" as Brazilian people like to call her has awakened from her Twitter Slumber to ask for the resignation of Ricardo Salles (Marina is like some sort of mummy or periodic plague that only emerges every 4 years to try the presidency just to go back to her sarcophagus after she loses.

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DJAra888

Excellent work, Stefan, I am sharing this as much as much as I can and so should anyone watching this.

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Bear Lemley

Borneo is being burned and clear cut. I see while flying over it.

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Guilherme Ribeiro De Sa

Lots of Non Government Organization have special interest in exploring Amazon Forest, the globalists speciall. Just to remember, there is a mining company in Brazil called "Vale do Rio Doce" and Soros is a investor in this company.

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André Lins de Albuquerque

Wow, this guy is a mith! Well done!

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Daniel Nora

Hello from Brazil. I thought I would share some of my views regarding this subject. So, here it goes.

The Amazon forest has reached its ecological climax in terms of oxygen. This means that all the oxygen it produces is consumed by the forest itself. This is not to say the Amazon forest is not of great importance to Brazil or the mankind: by preserving 84% of its original area untouched, the Amazon is an unmatched genetic library. The inumerous species that it houses may serve as source of new medicine and food, for example. As mentioned in the video, it also has great potential for eco tourism, which may aid in raising funds for its own preservation and for developing the Brazilian economy.

The french president's allegation that "the Amazon is the world's lungs" shows his ignorance regarding the world's natural resources, and indicates that he should probably redirect his efforts towards the internal issues he is currently facing, fo his declarations were a clear attempt to distract the media from his ever-growing rejection as France's president. The icing on the cake on his' speech was suggesting that the Amazon should be internationalized, defying the sovereigity of the amazonenses (the people who live in that region). He should be told that Brazil has the most specialized jungle warfare army and that any attempt to invade and to deprive the Brazilian people of the Amazon ownership would make the Vietnam War look like a playground. This country also needs to start producing mass destruction weapons, including atomic bombs, so we can guarantee other nations respect the Brazilian sovereignty. The only way we can keep moving towards more localism is if we prevent other nations from instituting a world central government.

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꧁Brasileirado꧂

I'm here for the minister of Brazil and learning my messy English lol!

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Malcolm Canning

But it must be, the BBC said SO.

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Francisco Sitja

Yes, mainstream media did it again.

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Dave Ivancheck

Did you say BRAZIL was PROMISED financial support….but nothing has come? NOW YOU KNOW HOW WE FEEL, HERE IN TBE U.S.A. Here we are TAKING CARE of practically EVERY LATIN-AMERICAN country in the world….GIVING THEIR GOVERNMENTS MONEY TO CARE FOR THEIR PEOPLE….and I'm quite sure tbat brazil is just one name on that LONG LIST of latin-American countries that has it's hands in AMERICA'S PIGGY BANK.

Look, you and I know that you're NOT going yo get ONE PESO from any of tbe countries around you, so basically you're just have your TIN CUP out, so we'll all either DONATE money to some QUASI rainforest organizations, who will then PUT IT RIGHT IN THEIR POCKETS. Basically what I'm saying is to HANDLE IT, because other than BEES; BEACHES and BUTTS…brazil has nothing else to offer the world…certaining not soccer anymore.

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Frankie Clayton

God's letting us understand what he said in the word is going to happen warning mankind to 2 Chronicles 7 vs 14-18

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primerio

But nobody says anything about how the Venezuelan communist regime is destroying their Amazon portion with mining leading by Chinese, Iranian and Russian companies. Please research about what’s happening now in the Orinoco’s Mining Arch in Venezuela (Arco Minero del Orinoco), it’s a huge ecological tragedy!

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NRC

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Ricardo Sales doen'st trust in data sended by INPE and Nasa, these data explicit say "amazonas deforestation is highier than last 5 years", Ricardo Salles say Amazon is preserved, its actually bullshit. They have no punishment to who set preservation marks on fire and also Ricardo Salles is trying to stop Ibama investigation on these areas to stop deforestation.

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Jamie Kloer

I thought the amazon forest was destroyed by acid rain years ago how could it be burning.

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Kevyn Campos

Greetings from Brazil

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Robin Mead

The Minister of the Environment of Brazil. Thank you!!

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Fernando Vilela

Votei pra ter esse ministro ai.

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adriano augusto

Importante demais trazer a verdade mundo afora.
O alarmismo ambiental só tem falácias pra impedir o desenvolvimento dos países.
Tudo está normal no Brasil.

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Rivers_of_Blood Marshal

I remember reading in a Greenpeace magazine in 1990 that humans are burning the rain-forests at a rate equal to the size of Washington state each and every year. By now, at that rate, most would be gone by now. Hmm.

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Renato Valente

Ricardo Salles is a SMART BRAVE MAN!
Hugs from Brazil, folks!

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CaiebesPunk

I am from Brazil and the Minister is right , Never Never believe in the conventional Media .
They are lyers and European and American people should know this more than anyone .
Brazil is trying to solve all the mess that the damned leftist made here .

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Miguel Ángel Fernández Sánchez

Excellent interview. The Brazilian Mainstream Media is much worse than the US one. Horrible reporting on the Amazon situation. Cheers for the Bolsonaro's Government! SUA BANDEIRA JAMAS SERÁ VERMELHA. VIVA O BRASIL!

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L O

In Sweden they’re arguing for sanctioning Brazil because of the fire.

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John Doe

Thank you

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Muni mouse

Putting a band aid on a dead body.
Every person who eats the cows bulls & calves is guilty of the crime of murder.
Deforestation by fire would not be happening if we are satisfied with drinking milk, and keeping cows alive.

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Muni mouse

And burgers are not made from cows flesh….

Come on.

If you burn down the steak houses and Burger Kings and MacDonald, I might believe.

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