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Q & A: What are your thoughts on stevia and erythritol?

Q & A: What are your thoughts on stevia and erythritol?

By Micah Moen 8 Comments December 12, 2019

Peggy Johnson: What about stevia and
erythritol? Because that’s how I eat any sweets. I eat them every day. Okay, so
that’s a great question and let me just take a few minutes and talk about the
non-nutritive sweeteners story back thirty years ago. About the only
thing that was available was saccharin. There was a huge scare about saccharin
causing cancer, specifically bladder cancer, because it happened in mice. Even
30 years ago, there were those of us who looked at that and said, “Hmm you really
don’t have a significant record of increased risk of bladder cancer in
humans with saccharin.” And you go back and you look at the mouse data, the lab mouse data, and they were basically given the the mouse what an
equivalent to up to the human would be would be about a pickup truck full
of saccharin every day. So we still don’t know the answer in terms of humans
if we gave if we had any human that actually took a pickup truck full of it.
May cause, can’t cause bladder cancer for that human. I just I don’t expect that that
study’s gonna be done anytime soon. But let’s go to another view of this. There’s
clearly evidence that non-nutritive sweeteners do impact the gut biome.
There’s been reports on that a couple of years ago, it was some research that
came out of Israel, and the gut biome is very very important. They’ve done studies
which demonstrate, look, if you if you transfer the gut biome of someone that
has insulin resistance or diabetes to lab animals and even to other humans,
it’s been shown you will greatly increase that recipient’s risk of
developing insulin resistance and/or diabetes. So there is something to the
gut biome and insulin resistance or diabetes as well as there is too many
other health determinants. Now, one other side to this non-nutritive
sweeteners saccharin was 30 years ago now, you’ve got a ton of things. Just an
update, I will tell you that there’s been significant research indicating
challenges with all of the non-nutritive sweeteners that I’m aware
of, at least in terms of gut biome issues. That’s obviously not as hard an
outcome as full-blown cancer, but you still do see that
you haven’t seen them or at least I haven’t seen them in terms of the
science, any significant evidence that you get that from stevia. So here’s my
personal read on it. I do use stevia, and I’m not concerned at
all about stevia. I’m more concerned about any of the others –
the yellow packets, the pink packets which are saccharin. The several of the
others now things like monk fruit actually have sugar in them. Erythritol
is actually a pretty good one. It’s expensive, and for that
reason, you don’t see it used a lot. A couple of other points about the
non-nutritive sweeteners. I’ve been a non-nutritive sweeteners addict for a
major part of my life. I’ve gotten sick of it. One of the things I’ve started
doing is putting Gymnema in my morning coffee. I’ve got videos on what
else I put in my morning coffee. Gymnema is an old…
it’s an ancient Ayurvedic medicine known as the “sugar killer.” And what it actually
does is it cuts the sugar taste receptors in the back of your tongue and
palate. You can tell it by drinking or putting some Gymnema in your mouth, then
you go to ingest something sweet. Whether it’s a non-nutritive sweeteners or sugar,
and it just doesn’t taste the same out of my whole life. I’ve tried multiple
times to decrease non-nutritive sweeteners addiction. I’m making
significant progress now with good old-fashioned, three-thousand-year-old
Gymnema (or maybe it’s a thousand years old). But it’s a very old intervention. Let
me just say one last thing about non-nutritive sweeteners before we move
on. You’ll see a lot of research about out this. Oh, you gained weight with
non-nutritive sweeteners, you get diabetes with non-nutritive sweeteners,
etc., etc. Those are environmental studies, meaning you look at people that are
using non-nutritive sweeteners, and then you look to see how many people in each
population (users and non-users) have diabetes or obesity.
You can do it the other way, and look at people that have diabetes or obesity
versus controls, and then look at non-nutritive sweeteners use. Clearly
guess what you’re gonna see. You’re gonna see non-nutritive sweeteners use linked
with people that have diabetes or insulin because they don’t want to take
sugar and with people that are obese because they’re trying to cut back on
their calorie intake. Let’s go back so you’re always going to see that in the
science when you do say that on a specific study. Look for that bias
because that is a study bias that really doesn’t mean anything in terms of the
non-nutritive sweeteners themselves. Final point on non-nutritive sweeteners.
Now move on. Look at the diabetic population. Look at Richard K. Bernstein.
He’s the godfather of diabetic self-care. He still uses non-nutritive sweeteners. A
lot recommends them despite having full-blown, very brittle diabetes in his
30s and using non-nutritive sweeteners up through his 80s. He did not have a
problem. And all he did all his life was manage other diabetics and did not see
problems with non-nutritive sweeteners. So yes, there’s some soft signals that
non-nutritive sweeteners are a problem. They’re very soft, and even those soft
signal, they had to do with again gut biome kind of stuff. They don’t have to
do with diabetes. The signals up in their search regarding diabetes and obesity.
Again, very unclear, not something I would worry about at all because of the bias
issue. Overall, it can be good to be taking a chemical. And so I’m trying to I
continue to try to work my own non-nutritive sweeteners addiction. Of
any of the non-nutritive sweeteners, stevia and erythritol by far the best. This is Ford Brewer. I started off my career
as an ER doc. And that can be frustrating because most of the things bringing
patients into the ER can and should be prevented, like heart attack and stroke.
So I went to Johns Hopkins for training in prevention, did well, ended up running
the program. Trained dozens of docs there. And they’ve trained hundreds
and even over a thousand doctors since then in preventing disease. What’s even
more important is I’ve helped thousands of patients prevent heart attack and
stroke rather than waiting for the devastation and hoping for a cure.

8 Comments found


Siouxanne Buehrer

Most grateful for your time in helping complete strangers via YouTube.


Mary Ann Wuebker

I believe totally in the importance of the ‘gut biome’ & feed it well.😄 I don’t put chemicals in my body if I can avoid them. Why would you?! Stevia has worked for me for years. To people who say they “don’t like the taste”, try different brands. I get a liquid online for about $7 that lasts for months. No taste that I can tell.👍🏻



The saccharine studies were bought and paid for by the sugar industry to stop the sale of saccharine. I don't know if you can even trust the reported outcomes. I'm sixty days free of all non-nutritive sweeteners and non-caloric artificial sweeteners and no sugar of any kind. Really haven't noticed any difference. Was a big stevia addict before that.


Robert Puffer

Allulose is good but expensive. Stevia has aftertaste


Matthew Alloy

Excellent Podcast 🙂👍.
I am a stevia addict 😋 , any sugar alcohol sends me to toilet laxative


Luba Nowek

Use glycine as a sweetner to get away from the monk fruit, erythritol etc. It works amazing and cuts the craving immediately – even just lick it off a spoon


charles marriage

I feel OK with both, and use often. There is also a sweet herb called Sweet Cicely which used to be used in England instead of sugar.



Fake sweeteners fool the body is the main problem. The body [through the tongue etc] thinks it has gotten sugar and does what it does when it thinks it got sugar. Now when that sugar does not exist the body is hurt from this process.
Some stevia is process by using harsh chemicals. So be careful.
Personally I don't use sweeteners except maybe honey a couple of times a year.
If I want something sweet I eat a banana or fruit or real food that happens to be sweet like some vegis.


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